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  • READ THIS BEFORE YOU POST -- Buy/Sell/Trade Forum Rules

    This forum is for contributing members of this website.

    To be initially considered a "contributing member" you must have BOTH the following:
    - You must have at least 25 posts.
    - You must be registered for at least 14 days.
    ***TO REMAIN A CONTRIBUTING MEMBER YOU MUST CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE OTHER FORUMS HERE***


    (Please, do not email me and ask why you cannot post in this forum when you are a brand new member or only have a few posts -- it's right here, at the top, in bold text...the answer to your question...pinned to the top -- it even says "read this before you post" )

    ****If you do not come here to engage in discussions, help others or even to ask questions or socialize, then please don't use this forum to buy or sell things.


    By using this forum to buy/sell/trade, you agree that SoftBallUtah.com is not responsible in anyway for any part of the transaction. We take steps to limit fraud, scams and protect our users but it's ultimately up to the buyers and sellers to weigh the risks and determine if they feel comfortable proceeding with the transaction.

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    SoftBallUtah.com FORUM RULES

    If you are using the SBU Forums, you are responsible for knowing these rules - please read all of them --
    1. Personal Messages (PMs) - we do not allow negotiating, making offers, buying, selling or soliciting (that includes soliciting trades) via PMs.
      • ​​​​​​​Anyone that makes an offer or accepts an offer to buy, sell or trade with another member through PM's may lose their SBU access as well as their PM access. PMs are for AFTER the deal has been made in the thread where it was posted. There is no excuse, there is never a time when it's ok to do it - it is a seller's responsibility to follow these rules as much as it is the buyer's.
    2. Items being offered for sale on this forum must not be offered for sale on any other website or in any other manner while they are offered here.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​If your item is being offered for sale anywhere else - online, locally, in the paper, at a yardsale, etc - then do not post it on this forum. If your item does not sell on this forum in a reasonable amount of time, you can certainly update your post with "Item no longer available" - and then sell it somewhere else. But we are implementing a ZERO TOLERANCE policy for items being offered in multiple places at one time. It's too complicated to be fair to the members of any one of those places - while they may not care, we do.
    3. Do not criticize anyone's asking price - it's their 'for sale' thread - if you aren't interested in buying it, stay out of it.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​Anyone criticizing someone's pricing or saying you can get it for less elsewhere, commenting on where you can get it, or making any negative or sarcastic comments about someone's items or pricing will be given an infraction the first time and removed from this forum the second time.
    4. This forum is for non-commercial use.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​The following list explains what we consider "reselling" and "commercial use":
        • If you purchased the item elsewhere with the specific intent to resell it - that is considered reselling/flipping and is commercial.
        • if you purchased or acquired the item for free or at a reduced price through your business or a business you represent - that is commercial.
      • This forum is here for members of this website to buy/sell/trade items that were intended for personal use but are no longer necessary or practical. Profit/loss or what you plan to do with the money is not a consideration in "commercial use".
    5. Items that are offered for sale here should be offered to the members in the order that they accepted your asking price.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​When more than one person accepts the original terms for an item, that item should be offered to the members in the order that they responded to the for sale thread. If the first response is a question and the second response is "I'll take it", then the seller can choose to answer the questions of #1 or just sell the item to #2. But if #1 says "I'll take it" in the thread and #2 asks a question or offers more money, then the seller is obligated to sell to #1.
    6. Do not remove pictures or text or prices from your post after an item is sold - leave your threads intact.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​If you use this forum to sell something, and delete the opening post or price or change your opening post so that the item and pricing are no longer visible, you'll be removed from this forum. Trying to hide the terms of an offer or sale is dishonest and suspect.
    7. Bumps are limited to once per day with a total of three bumps per thread.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​If there's a first or second bump within the first 24 hours a thread has been posted, it may be locked. If there's a fourth bump in any thread, it will be locked and/or deleted. You are not welcome to repost the items from a thread locked for bump abuse.
    8. This forum is not to be used for announcements of ***** elsewhere nor should anyone refer others to places they can purchase something.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​This is not an advertising forum, it's not a "check this out" forum, it's not a "heads up" forum to direct people to yard *****, eBay *****, trade shows, etc. It is for buying, selling and trading amongst our members.
    9. Every items that is placed on this forum for sale must be described as well as possible and listed with a clear asking price - "add paypal fees" is NOT considered a clear asking price.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​A clear asking price or listed with some options for items you would be willing to trade for your item. This means no "add PayPal fees" in your threads - that is not a clear asking price. If you want someone to pay the PayPal fees, YOU need to add it to the price. Not +3% - but do the math and make that your asking price. Effective immediately - list your clear asking price, if there is math involved, do the math before you post your clear asking price. "Best offer" ***** are not allowed unless they have an asking price as well - phone numbers are not allowed here - "email if interested" ***** are not allowed - "PM if interested" ***** are not allowed - "email for details" posts are not allowed - you are trying to sell it using this forum, post all the relevant information in your thread please. All ***** made through this forum should be as transparent as possible in order to be as fair as possible to everyone.
    10. Do not hijack - no one, under any circumstances, should show interest in or offer to buy ANYTHING in a WTB thread they didn't start.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​Hijack, on this site, means to attempt to take over or derail. To be clear - if you did not start the WTB thread - unless you are offering to SELL the thread starter what they are looking for STAY OUT OF THE THREAD. In other words, if someone starts a WTB thread - items offered to that person are ONLY offered to that person. It is considered hijacking if you attempt to buy something in their thread - even if they are not interested in the item. Because by your derailing their thread, it is no longer serving it's purpose of helping THEM find the item they wanted. Start your own WTB thread, please do not ever derail another person's thread by posting your desire to purchase something offered to them.
    11. No PayPal "Gift" or "Friends and Family" - don't ask for it, don't demand it, don't suggest it - PayPal "gift"/"friends and family" are not welcome here and are prone to scams.
      • ​​​​​​​​​​​​​​PayPal "Gift" or "Friends and Family" - not allowed here - using them to buy or sell is fraudulent and PayPal offers no recourse to either party should either one be unsatisfied. When sending money using "Gift" or "Friends and Family", you risk losing that money permanently as Paypal typically doesn't get involved in refunding since these services are not to be used for buying/selling goods.
    12. No telephone numbers, email addresses, text message request or "PM with interest" in any SBU Forum here.
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    Buyer and Seller's Responsibilities

    1. If you are selling something here for someone else, you assume 100% of the responsibilities of the sale as if it were your item.
    Since you are bending the rules by selling something for someone that is not registered here (remember - "this forum is for contributing members of this website only"?) --- we will allow those 3rd party *****, but you are 100% responsible for every aspect of that sale, right up until the time the item reaches the buyer and the buyer finds the item acceptable.

    2. Sellers responsibilities - for any sale in this forum, including 3rd party ***** as noted above:
    You are responsible for shipping problems, items lost in shipping, damaged in shipping, items that were not represented properly in your post, and all immediate refunds for items lost/damaged in shipping. The buyer does not have to wait for your refund from the shipper, that is your problem. The buyer does not have to wait for your friend to get the money back to you, that's your problem. When you sell something here, it is your responsibility to follow all the normally accepted rules of selling. The biggest of those is that until the buyer receives an item, that item is considered in your possession and is your responsibility. Just because you shipped it does NOT end your responsibility -- that only ends when the buyer has taken possession of the item.****We WILL NOT become involved in these such disputes -- but any buyer that reports this particular problem will have the satisfaction of knowing that particular seller will never use this forum again in any manner, buying/selling or trading. It's your responsibility, act like an adult and do the right thing.
    SoftballUtah
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